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		<title>Debate 3 Autopsies</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>More people were allowed to see the third Gube debate because the local broadcaster conglomerate deigned to broadcast it throughout the state.. Frankly our representatives in the State Assembly and Senate should mandate a fixed number of debates for every state office, as well as make arrangements with broadcasters to broadcast via TV and radio every [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More people were allowed to see the third Gube debate because the local broadcaster conglomerate deigned to broadcast it throughout the state.. Frankly our representatives in the State Assembly and Senate should mandate a fixed number of debates for every state office, as well as make arrangements with broadcasters to broadcast via TV and radio every race. Not every race would have to be broadcast statewide. State Assembly and Senate race debates should be broadcast city/county-wide for their relevant districts. And there should at least by two each; Four or more for statewide offices. Candidates should not be allowed to dictate things as important as debates. That should be our job, via our elected representatives.</p>
<p>Anyways, since more people were allowed to watch Debate III by our Media Lords and Masters, there are more post-mortems than for the Debate II. Note this post is subject to obsessive updating:</p>
<ul>
<li>Video is <a href="http://www.klvx.org/election2006/index.html">here</a>, it seems.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2006/oct/17/101710358.html">AP&#8217;s</a> Hennessy gave the standard blow by blow, noting that Titus seemed to have a bunch of ideas for expanding educational opportunity while Gibbons was looking for ways to shrink it. Educational opportunity, I mean. Hennessy also seemed disappointed that nothing was said about <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2006/oct/18/566683185.html">Gib-gate</a>, the affair about the non-assault by the non-intoxicated, usually tea-totalling Gibbons. At least that&#8217;s Siggy&#8217;s version, but he was buying lots people lots of drinks, including himself, so who knows? Hey, did you notice her name was NOT on the latest Reid <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/99116,CST-NWS-reid17.article">hit piece</a> from Solomon? What&#8217;s with that? </li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegasgleaner.com/las_vegas_gleaner/2006/10/gubular_thread_.html">Gleaner</a> noted how folksy and old-fashioned Gibbons appeared, or tried to appear. </li>
<li><a href="http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2006/10/titus-gibbons-debate-gibbons-just.html">Beacon</a> thought Gibbons was out of touch on Healthcare cuz he seemed to be worried about the doctor shortage from a few years back. His solution: deny patients mutilated by quacks the right or redress. She called him Rip Van Winkle, which is a better analogy than Buck Rogers because at least Buck had an exciting time in the seventies dancing disco in spandex tights. Can&#8217;t picture Gibbons in spandex tights, myself. <a href="http://votegibbonsout.blogs.com/votegibbonsout/2006/10/jims_night_out.html">Red smoking jacket</a>? Yeah.</li>
<li><a href="http://lyoncountydems.blogspot.com/2006/10/dina-rocked.html">Blue Lion</a> thought Dina rocked.</li>
<li><a href="http://nvupnorth.blogspot.com/2006/10/campaign-image-of-weak.html">Nevada UpNorth</a> thought the debate was weak: &quot;Gibbons was a mama&#8217;s boy, Titus didn&#8217;t deliver the punches she needed to.&quot;</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegasgleaner.com/las_vegas_gleaner/2006/10/daily_glean_fun.html">Gleaner</a>, the morning after, has caught the dread disease of Gibitus: making up new words beginning with &quot;gib-&quot; to describe Jim <del>Giblet</del> Gibbons and his <del>gibularities</del> idiosyncrasies. He also thinks that Sig Rogich may be making the campaign&#8217;s message a bit too subtle. Too many late nights buying rounds in the local watering-hole may be taking their toll. The cure for Gibitus is Dina Titus, if you were wondering.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-18-Wed-2006/news/10297518.html">Molly Ball</a> found the debate format quirky and delivers the blow by blow for the videoless.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nvdems.com/news.php?newsid=683">Nevada Dems</a> noted that Gibbons, when lacking ideas, simply borrows them from Titus.</li>
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		<title>Debate 2 Post-Mortems</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nevada Scandalmonger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Let the second-guessing and sniping begin! Warning: This post is subject to updating without notice. Or reason.</p>

AP thought Gibbons said a bunch about Titus being a taxer. Maybe they were thinking about the first debate. I thought I heard him mention it once, like he knew his Southern Nevada audience wouldn&#8217;t mind taxing Northern Nevada more. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the second-guessing and sniping begin! Warning: This post is subject to updating without notice. Or reason.</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/15719754.htm">AP</a> thought Gibbons said a bunch about Titus being a taxer. Maybe they were thinking about the first debate. I thought I heard him mention it once, like he knew his Southern Nevada audience wouldn&#8217;t mind taxing Northern Nevada more. But we&#8217;re just generous that way.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2006/oct/09/100910916.html">AP2</a>, the updated version of the above article, is a bit meatier.</li>
<li>Nevada Dems found some flip flopping in Gibbons&#8217; views on <a href="http://www.nvdems.com/news.php?newsid=665">prescription drugs</a>.</li>
<li>Made a comment over at <a href="http://www.lasvegasgleaner.com/las_vegas_gleaner/2006/10/gubular_debate_.html">Gleaner&#8217;s Gube thread</a> yet? I did, but I don&#8217;t have a life, either.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-10-Tue-2006/news/10145077.html">Molly Ball</a> gives her blow by blow of the debate. She says that Titus&#8217;s claim that Gibbons wants to make the Millenium Scholarship based on financial need was &quot;not true. At the debate in Reno two weeks ago, Titus accused<br />
Gibbons of wanting to make means testing a part of the scholarship, and<br />
her campaign later was unable to back up the assertion that Gibbons had<br />
taken such a position.&quot; Maybe Gibbons never planned to make &quot;means testing&quot; a part of the scholarship, but according to the <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2006/aug/17/566679642.html">Sun</a>, he did plan to add restrictions based on test scores: <span class="siteheadlines2justified">&quot;[Gibbons] would use the SAT or another test as a new hurdle to winning a Millennium Scholarship.&quot; So, Gibbons plans to cut back the scholarship one way or another.</span></li>
<li><span class="siteheadlines2justified">The fellow who could get a job as a Bob Beers&#8217; (who?) impersonator chimed in on <a href="http://www.valleyblogs.com/sebelius/2006-10-10/id_1750">the debate</a>. He thought Gibbons was snappy in his remark about Dina spending every penny of the surplus, which is probably what Gibbons&#8217; spending plans entail as well, and he thought that Dina&#8217;s zinger about Gibbons needing to study remedial budgeting was snappy, too. And he has a few things to say about the bizarreness of the Gibbons&#8217; attack on Awwrnold&#8217;s state. There&#8217;s not much loyalty among Republicans these days.</span></li>
<li><span class="siteheadlines2justified">Ralston chimed in on on what he considered a bathetic <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/commentary/2006/oct/11/566675671.html">un-debate</a>. He found the staged format with pre-submitted questions &quot;pointless&quot;. If you&#8217;re like me, you&#8217;ll find that the column shared that feature.<br /></span></li>
<li><span class="siteheadlines2justified"><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-12-Thu-2006/opinion/10174016.html">Erin Neff</a> didn&#8217;t like the first debate and didn&#8217;t like this one either. But she bores easily.<br /></span></li>
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		<title>Some Debate Minutiae</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 04:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nevada Scandalmonger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Couple of Gibbons overstatements in the debate: Gibbons was endorsed by the Latino Coalition. But it&#8217;s a Republican Latino astroturf organization. See here and here for more.</p>
<p>Gibbons said something about writing the Geothermal Steam Act. Well, it&#8217;s the Geothermal Steam Act of 1970 originally written long before Gibbons was elected to Congress. It&#8217;s been revised four [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couple of Gibbons overstatements in the debate: Gibbons was endorsed by the <a href="http://www.thelatinocoalition.com/news/2006/2006Endorsements.pdf">Latino Coalition</a>. But it&#8217;s a Republican Latino astroturf organization. See <a href="http://www.raisingkaine.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=B4733DB8EE73EFA7C616A96633EDBB51?diaryId=5009">here</a> and <a href="http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/tuning_in/2006.05.24-f_gary_arlen.shtml">here</a> for more.</p>
<p>Gibbons said something about writing the Geothermal Steam Act. Well, it&#8217;s the <a href="http://ipl.unm.edu/cwl/fedbook/geosteam.html">Geothermal Steam Act of 1970</a> originally written long before Gibbons was elected to Congress. It&#8217;s been revised four times, only the fourth of which could have had any contribution by the Congressman.</p>
<p>[UPDATE: The debate is <a href="http://www.lasvegasnow.com/">here </a>if you (1) weren't in Vegas or (2) don't have cable.]</p>
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		<title>I Thought I Was Obsessive</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 05:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nevada Scandalmonger</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>The winner of the longest post-mortem on the first debate between Gibbons and Titus is Molly Ball, who turned in her take on the fracas over at the Club for Growth Review Journal. Some high points: Ball raises the question about whether Gibbons&#8217; supermajority requirement for passing tax raises through the state legislature is really working. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The winner of the longest post-mortem on the first debate between Gibbons and Titus is Molly Ball, who turned in her take on the fracas over at the <a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-01-Sun-2006/news/9942439.html">Club for Growth Review Journal</a>. Some high points: Ball raises the question about whether Gibbons&#8217; supermajority requirement for passing tax raises through the state legislature is really working. But it obviously isn&#8217;t. When the intensive growth in the state required a tax raise in 2003, the Gibbons&#8217; supermajority initiative precipitated a constitutional crisis. Gibbons should hide his head in shame for crafting the nasty thing.</p>
<p>Another interesting question raised in the article: isn&#8217;t Gibbons&#8217; &quot;education first&quot; initiative just an attempt to fix one of the problems caused by the supermajority silliness? The answer, again, is &quot;yes&quot;. There would be no need for the pointless fix if the supermajority requirement didn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Over at the <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2006/oct/01/566651677.html">Sun</a>, J. Patrick Coolican talked about the lowered expectations which helped Gibbons in the first debate&#8211;in the sense that the Gibster didn&#8217;t throw up. So, next time we should just expect more. Next time, either Gibbons starts acting like an intelligent, well-prepared, knowledgeable candidate for Governor, or he loses. Let&#8217;s see if the Gibster can meet such minimal expectations. I bet he can&#8217;t. I double dare him to try, and I double dare the MSM and the people of Nevada to hold him to it.</p>
<p>More post-mortems <a href="http://votegibbonsout.blogs.com/votegibbonsout/2006/09/desert_beacon_t.html">here</a>.</p>
<p>And Jon Ralston had <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2006/oct/01/566651680.html">another article</a> about the practice of bundling, the practice used by rich folk to circumvent Nevada campaign laws by funding candidates through various corporate fronts. The practice is truly grotesque, and you should be asking your Nevada Assembly and Senate candidates to reform the laws allowing it.</p>
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		<title>Debate One: Post Mortems</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 22:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know what to think about something until somebody tells you? Well, then, you&#8217;ll want to read all of the Gube debate post-mortems, listed here in no particular order, and subject to updating&#8230;</p>

Desert Beacon notes Gibbons&#8217; use of the Repubic playbook. 
RGJ discovered that some college students are confused.
CFG-RJ seemed disappointed.
Commentators to a Nevada Appeal story [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know what to think about something until somebody tells you? Well, then, you&#8217;ll want to read all of the Gube debate post-mortems, listed here in no particular order, and subject to updating&#8230;</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2006/09/titus-vs-gibbons-round-one.html">Desert Beacon</a> notes Gibbons&#8217; use of the Repubic playbook. </li>
<li><a href="http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060926/NEWS10/609260359/1002">RGJ</a> discovered that some college students are confused.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Sep-26-Tue-2006/news/9874636.html">CFG-RJ</a> seemed disappointed.</li>
<li><a href="http://apps.nevadaappeal.com/na_polls/story-comments.php?sid=109260081&amp;mode=flat&amp;order=0">Commentators</a> to a <a href="http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20060926/NEWS/109260081">Nevada Appeal</a> story were not impressed by Gibguy.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nevada/2006/sep/25/092510909.html">AP</a> does the AP thing.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nvtoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=118&amp;Itemid=31">Gleaner on salary</a> noted, again, the Gibbons&#8217; propensity for mindless jingoism.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegasgleaner.com/las_vegas_gleaner/2006/09/everybody_under.html">Gleaner off salary</a> finds Gibbons to be a fragile, tormented soul. </li>
<li><a href="http://lyoncountydems.blogspot.com/2006/09/tuesday-tidbits.html">Keeping Tahoe Blau</a> liked Titus&#8217; specificity. Gibbons &quot;education first&quot;? Not so much.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.valleyblogs.com/sebelius/2006-09-26/id_1709">The Beers&#8217; Lookalike</a> doesn&#8217;t think Gibbons&#8217; scaremongering over taxes will work out as well as the Gibster hopes.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.nvdems.com/news.php?newsid=656">Nevada Democrats</a> slice and dice the G-man.</li>
<li><a href="http://nogibbons.blogspot.com/2006/09/titusgibbons-debate-in-nutshell.html">No Gibbonses</a> lists the main points for supporting each candidate. Or not.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.rgj.com/blogs/inside-nevada-politics/2006/09/titus-beats-gibbons-by-nose-only-after.html">Hagar</a> thought Titus won on the specifics.</li>
<li><a href="http://nogibbons.blogspot.com/2006/09/titusgibbons-debate-in-nutshell.html">Damon</a> thinks Titus won on command of details and that Gibbons won the expectation game&#8211;by managing to keep his mouth flapping.</li>
<li><a href="http://dullardmush.blogspot.com/2006/09/titus-bumbles-early-gibbons-bumbles.html">Dullard Mush</a> figures that Gibbons didn&#8217;t hurt himself much from the debate, despite his bumblings, because he got out what passes for his positions, but that Titus didn&#8217;t live up to expectations.</li>
<li><a href="http://cobbgobbler.net/root/?p=59">CobbGobbler</a> thought Gibbons won because he, Gibbons, didn&#8217;t do anything too stupid. CG likes Titus proposal for a longer legislative session.</li>
<li><a href="http://nvupnorth.blogspot.com/2006/09/no-emesis-tonight.html">UpNorth</a> thought Gibbons&#8217; best moment was when he said he was born in Nevada.</li>
<li><a href="http://nvupnorth.blogspot.com/2006/09/gibbonss-145.html">UpNorth</a> also added a post about how 145% growth in state spending isn&#8217;t really all that much.</li>
<li>Susan from <a href="http://snunes.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_snunes_archive.html#115927853080745754">Random Thoughts</a> found the RGJ&#8217;s coverage to be biased.</li>
<li>Over at <a href="http://mtcharleston.blogspot.com/2006/09/titus-vs-gibbons-debate-1.html">Nye</a> they don&#8217;t want Gibbons to save them any more money cuz they can&#8217;t afford it.</li>
<li>Myrna goes over the results of <a href="http://www.renodiscontent.com/2006/09/26/fallout-from-the-gibbonstitus-debate-poll/">her poll on the debate</a> and fears that Gibbons won on the visceral appeal-to-the-stupid-part-of-the-brain level.</li>
<li>Myrna thinks I&#8217;m cute, in a <a href="http://www.renodiscontent.com/2006/09/25/reno-and-beyond-finally-i-can-hear-myself-think/">Stanley Kowalski</a> way. Yeah, it&#8217;s off topic. Tough.</li>
<li>Oh, and some ranter <a href="http://votegibbonsout.blogs.com/votegibbonsout/2006/09/slice_and_dice.html">picked on Reagan</a>. How off topic can you get?</li>
</ul>
<p>Dead tree late-comers:</p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/commentary/2006/sep/27/566622149.html">Ralston</a> says Ralston-like things and thought Gibbons&#8217; &quot;e&quot; is for &quot;expensive&quot; remark was the high point of the evening.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/sun/2006/sep/27/566686272.html">Sun</a> points out the stretchers from the debate and paradoxically decides that the Gibster is effective at being uninfluential. Or something like that. And you learn more than you want to about that stupid <a href="http://www.congress.org/congressorg/power_rankings/power_card.tt?id=373">power-ranking website</a>, and that inside the Beltway types pay as much attention to it as you do. And look who puts the &quot;e&quot; in &quot;expensive&quot;:</li>
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<blockquote><blockquote>
<p>Gibbons led the fight for a state constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds majority to pass any tax increase. </p>
<p>However, Gibbons has<br />
been a member of Congress during a period of flowing red ink. After a<br />
period of balanced budgets and surpluses at the end of the Clinton<br />
administration, federal deficits have soared in recent years.</p>
<p>Gibbons has been part<br />
of the Republican majorities that have approved large spending<br />
increases, big tax cuts &#8211; many directed at the wealthy &#8211; and lots of<br />
new borrowing.</p>
<p>According to<br />
Americans for Tax Reform, federal spending has increased 7.2 percent<br />
per year since 2000, which is well above historical levels. The 2005<br />
deficit was $318 billion.</p>
<p>Gibbons has not been<br />
immune from criticism on this score. Citizens Against Government Waste<br />
named him its December 2003 &quot;Porker of the Month&quot; for $225,000 he<br />
brought home to fix a Sparks public swimming pool.</p>
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<ul>
<li>Oh yeah. The Sun also turned the debate <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/from.ed/2006/sep/27/photos/P000081373.jpg">into a cartoon</a>.</li>
<li>Gibbons wins by not <a href="http://nvupnorth.blogspot.com/2006/09/hoping-for-emesis.html">throwing-up</a>.</li>
<li>Student Newspapers: UNLV&#8217;s <a href="http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/article.php?ID=9710">Rebel Yell</a> and UNR&#8217;s <a href="http://www.nevadasagebrush.com/media/storage/paper553/news/2006/09/26/News/Candidates.Face.Off.On.Hot.Topics-2308348.shtml?norewrite200609281631&amp;sourcedomain=www.nevadasagebrush.com">Nevada Sagebrush</a>. Or is it the other way around? UNR&#8217;s conservative paper the Pack Patrol apparently didn&#8217;t cover the debate, but they do have an interesting piece on <a href="http://www.packpatriot.com/modules.php?name=News&amp;file=article&amp;sid=109">Beer Pong</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p>Even deader-tree later comers:</p>
<ul>
<li>Just skip <a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Sep-28-Thu-2006/news/9915840.html">Morrison&#8217;s</a> post-mortem.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Sep-28-Thu-2006/opinion/9907829.html">Neff</a> thinks people who are thinking of voting for Gibbons are rubes. Me too.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Oct-01-Sun-2006/news/9942439.html">Molly Ball</a> wins with the longest post-mortem.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2006/oct/01/566651677.html">Coolican</a> wonders about our lowered expectations.</li>
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